After pondering great posts concerning the abortion problem in this country on Biltrix and 8 Kids and a Business, I am drawn again to wonder, from my foundational view, where the Church is in this cultural war. Not that the official voice of the Church isn’t plain on the subject because it certainly is. Abortion is a grave mortal sin and we need to eradicate this barbaric practice.
However, it always seems somewhat contradictory when we see high profile people (think Pelosi, Biden or the late Senator Ted Kennedy) who push to keep abortion legal, treated as Catholics in good standing. The man in the street sees this as an enigma not to mention a scandal of the highest order. When discussing this with people in the Church they often argue that it is the hope that keeping them in the Church will allow them to hear the message that may eventually bring about a change of heart. Though I accept the idea of the Church being the best place for these people to learn the teachings of the Church, do we never use the “big stick” anymore; that of excommunication?
I don’t have access to the degree of grace given to our priests and bishops so I cannot tell them or you if they are acting under this grace. I can only tell you what an ordinary lay Catholic sees in this hypocrisy.
For instance, we claim that we are against abortion, same sex marriages and the loss of religious liberty. However, the number of priests that actually preach against these things or lead their parishioners to action is a noticeable minority. When it comes to voting for a candidate that is for these things, the common reply is that there are more than these few social issues to consider. Many love to use the horrid “seamless garment” argument of the late Cardinal Bernardin of Chicago. It is a scandal that this argument has been used to equate socialist government programs not only as a substitute for our individual charity but to elevate these programs to equal importance with abortion. Do they not understand that 60 million babies have died in the supposed safety of their mother’s womb? Besides the loss of their lives, do they not know that these 60 million babies were denied 2 things that we feel all individuals are entitled to in life: baptism and a funeral?
It is my contention that the reason we don’t see this as a holocaust of unprecedented proportion is because we never see their caskets or go to a funeral for any of these little ones. If we could see the number of these deaths it would change more than a few minds and hearts. But alas, these evil deeds are hidden from our eyes, our minds and our hearts by throwing their tiny bodies and body parts into a hazardous waste disposal unit. Evil loves to hide in the shadows and hates to have their deeds recognized for what they are.
So for this layman, I have difficulty in understanding why, after 20 years of being a Catholic, I can count on 2 hands the number of actual homilies given on this Sin of sins. It is also amazing how little interest our priests have shown in organizing the parishioners to act or to vote out candidates who support such barbarism. Where are the excommunications? Where is the Catholic Will to eliminate this scandalous affront to human life? I hear the official words but I see little support in the ranks of the bishops or priests that is truly and effectively trying to bring this sad chapter of moral depravity to a close. The Holy Spirit must be telling them something He is not telling the rest of us; because I cannot understand the lack of fortitude we have shown. I and many other Catholics are ashamed at the polls of supposed Catholic “faithful” that record their intention to vote for pro-abortion candidates in the coming election. How can that be?
Is our rhetoric about these objective evils merely that: rhetoric? I pray it is more than that and that someday God will forgive the complacency we have shown. In my mind, no peace will be found in this country until we end the war on the unborn. Why would God hear our prayers when we can’t hear the cries of the poorest of the poor: the helpless and hopeless plight of our own children?
Yes, the silence from the ambo is deafening. Fr. Testa’s homily on my blog stands in the minoritiy. I don’t understand it, either. Pro-abortion arguments consistently include high-profile Catholics like Kennedy, Pelosi, and in Canada, Trudeau, McGuinty, Clarke. The argument is that if they are still going to church then what’s the matter with the rest of us who cling to our pro-life stand. Thanks for this. You articulated what I, and many others couldn’t.
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Thank you. Your post and that of Biltrix reminded me once again of the hypocrisy that is present within our own ranks. God bless you and all the unborn.
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That’s the way to end your break! Great job!
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Thanks Schtevie! You didn’t send me a quote, so I used that of St. Basil. Hope you don’t mind.
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Well said, my dear friend – I share your bafflement.
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It is truly a baffling situation that many of us have a hard time understanding.
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Very good post, Servus! Excommunication is a touchy subject. The problem is that most people do not understand the motive behind it or its pastoral purpose. On the one hand, it serves to rectify the injustice of scandal, as when a Catholic politician confuses and misleads other Catholics by holding particular stances that are blatantly at odds with Church teaching. On the other hand, the public sentence of excommunication gives the one who receives it the opportunity to reflect, repent, and rectify his behavior for the good of his soul.
The problem with people not understanding this is that they tend to see it as an overbearing condemnation on the part of the Church. They fail to recognize that excommunication is not simply an act of condemnation. When the sentence is properly applied, it is merely a statement testifying to the fact that the person in question is no longer in communion with the Catholic Church. The public pronouncement of excommunication only outwardly expresses a reality that has already taken place. Excommunication, then, is really just a service to the individual in question and to the rest of the faithful. The formal act of excommunication also makes it clear that the person in question cannot receive communion in a Catholic Church and that he should not refer to himself as a Catholic. Nevertheless, before it reaches the point where the Church would pronounce a sentence of excommunication, the individual in question must have already performed actions whereby he has already excommunicated himself, ipso facto (e.g., in the case of participating in the act of carrying out an abortion, which can entail, counsel, consent, compulsion, etc…).
There is an apparent disconnect between the fact that many politicians clearly fulfill the conditions for latae sententiae by their words and actions, on the one hand, and their being allowed to appear in public as practicing Catholics, who go to Church sometimes and receive communion, on the other. You have made a very good point that something more needs do be done to address the scandal this causes for many Christians.
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Boy is that the truth Biltrix. It would only take a few hard line stances on the most high profile individuals to send a message to all the rest. The other thing is that the bishops surely need to take a harder stance with their priests to combat this kind of behavior and at the very least, refuse them Communion until they get right with the Church.
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I am convinced, however, that one of the big reasons behind their reticence is the following: Letter to 60,000 ministers threatens IRS action for speaking out in church services.
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That could very well be true Biltrix, but have they forgotten the old line about preaching the gospel in season and out of season? If we allow them to shut down free speech in our churches like they have in Canada who else in the world will stand up to their government? This really has to be the last straw and the place where we make our last stand in my opinion. There is no place left on planet Earth where we have a better opportunity to stop this intrusion into the teaching of our faith than here in America.
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Outstanding Post, SF. As you know I’ve raised the question myself- By the way could you arrange an interdict on my church while you’re about it as well.
And yes, it does make our churches at the very least look hypocritical.
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Ain’t that the truth, Neo. The faithful are left wondering why they need to be faithful if there isn’t a downside to their behavior. Their reasoning is beyond me.
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Me too. But I tend to run on logic, not cognitive dissonance.
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That’s our problem neo. I think logic and reasoning are becoming ancient history.
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I’m afraid you are right SF. If so Louis XIV had the quote.
Apres moi, l’ deluge If my six weeks worth of French still works. 🙂
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After no weeks of French, I think the traslation is: After me, the deluge. Is that right? Beats me, I’m just an old country hick. 🙂 Heck, I have trouble with proper English.
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That what I though I was saying! 🙂 me too for what’s worth, not much I expect.
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Oh sure — just remember your audience. You can speak to me in redneck – I’m very fluent in it (no correct spelling is required). 🙂
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Good thing for me, and I don’t even have to look up words like I do at that educated British blog, either 🙂
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I know what you mean. David and Tom were getting on about a bunch of food that sounded like it came from Mars. I usually talk about hog jowls and ribs and chicken. Beats me what they’re eatin’ but I’d probably get beat up if I asked for any of that stuff in one of our restaurants. 🙂
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Yeah, I saw that. I was thinking about a nice Nebraska steak, some fries and corn on the cob, and maybe a few beers. My local restaurants do a great burrito, what else could you want. 🙂
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Nothin much. Though a nice piece of gator might go good with that steak (southern surf and turf). Well, 10-4 good buddy, it’s shut-eye time here on the east coast and I think I hear them playin’ taps somewhere in the distance. So I think it’s lights out! 🙂
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Works for me either Gator or rattlesnake. Pretty close here as well, probably see you around tomorrow. 🙂
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Can’t vouch for rattlesnake, as I’ve never partaken of that meat. Gator, however…..mighty fine eatin’. Gator with sauce piquante, ‘specially.
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Indeed, us rednecks know what’s good. A side of pinto beans and little bit of corn bread. Yum!
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That does sound good, never had gator anyway but deep fried.
Rattlesnake is one of those meats, just like chicken only tougher.
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Sure deep fried is excellent. Yeah, rattlesnake is little too chewy for me and bear meat is bit too stringy. Gator is good though.
Think we should join Tom and David in their talking about fine cuisine? I think we both have them beat: though I must admit I have no idea what it is they are eatin. Might be the same stuff with fancy soundin names. 🙂
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I like the fancy stuff well enough, main problem is that it’s like Chinese, doesn’t stick to the ribs, eating can become a full time job. I’m convinced that all those fancy sauces and such were developed because they couldn’t get good meat. 🙂
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Anything that sounds French, I don’t trust. 🙂
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A wise policy, my friend 🙂
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I must clarify that: if you twist my arm, I will drink their wine and their cognac. 🙂
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As will I, at least the cognac, for wine I prefer American or Australian, just as good and cheaper. 🙂
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I like California wines myself but am not too up on the Australian wines so I don’t know what would be good.
Kentucky wine – known by that awful French word, bourbon – is not too shabby a replacement for my martini. 🙂
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It works, although I prefer the varietal from Scotland in its pure form.
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Ahh! My brother’s favorite as well. He loves a good double malt.
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Double’s not bad but single is better, double is the start of the road to perdition, the blend.
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I am not a student of these things. Just a rube that drinks his licker from an old fruit jar. 🙂
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That stuff is good too. 🙂
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Your a good ol’ boy at heart, ain’t ya? 🙂
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You bet. 🙂 I even have an NFL story up, well, sort of.:-)
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I haven’t been to your site yet but let me guess — is Paul Ryan part of the story? 🙂
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Nope, although that was a good line. 🙂
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OK, you got my curiosity up. I’m going there now. 🙂
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Surprise 🙂
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Indeed it was, though I had heard about this from Rush yesterday. But he didn’t have the action pics. 🙂
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I mostly like the story, the picture was a bonus. 🙂
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Yeah right, neo. You’re a good ol’ boy alright. You can sling it with the best of them. 🙂
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eh! 🙂
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Mind if I call you Billy Bob from now on? 🙂
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Not if you don’t mind being Joe Bob 🙂
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Sounds good to me! 🙂
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Good deal 🙂
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You betcha! 🙂 Why does that phrase keep popping up?
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Can’t imagine, although I do like some good corn fed venison from time to time. 🙂
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Billy Bob and Joe Bob are in agreement once again. It’s a miracle! 🙂
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Yup 🙂
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Okay, speaking to ya both about cuisine….y’all eat hot stuff?
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Indeed I do. Love Mexican and Indian cuisine – not to mention our flaming hot wings.
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Some, I like it, it doesn’t like me so well, so I watch it most of the time.
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Mexican: good. Indian: good. Thai green/yellow/red curry, cooked to the level of Thai hot: Awesome.
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It was just getting to be known in Boston before I left for Dixie. Haven’t had the pleasure down here to sample the Thai food. I’m sure I’d like it.
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Thai hot is a bit much for me, I takes to many Tums to slow down the heartburn but, it sure tastes good.
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I’ve migrated from Tums to Pepcid Complete. HINT: It works better and for longer. I’m giving you some good advice here Neo. 🙂
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I’ll take it, Thanks. 🙂
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Welcome. 🙂
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🙂
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Indubitably. If you like Curry, you’d like Thai Curry. They have three main varieties, namely, Red, Green, and Yellow curry, each with its own variation of flavor. I couldn’t tell ya the specific difference, I love ’em all, and I generally order them to the heat level of Thai hot. The old saying goes, ‘this’ll put hair on your chest.’ Food that’s cooked to the spice level of Thai hot will burn those chest hairs off. But I love it.
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It will, indeed. The first time I had it I thought I was going to die but, it’s so good.
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I hear you. Unfortunately I have had to cut back in my old age for stomach reasons. But I surely do love it. 🙂
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Well, most Thai restaurants I’ve been to generally give you the option for every dish of four preset levels of heat. Mild, Spicy, Hot, and Thai hot. I recommend trying it on mild the first time, just to see if you even like the taste of Thai curry. Then go for spicy. The rating of spicy for them, I would say is at the level of cayenne pepper, thereabouts. Hot is at the level of Habaneros. Thai hot is forged on the seventh level of the infernal realms. It’s the only good thing to come from there. 😀
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Outstanding advice that I’ll remember the next time I’m in the city. 🙂
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If you’re ever in the Kansas City area, let me know ahead of time and I’ll take ya to one of the local Thai places and you can try some out.
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If I am, I will. I’m out in the middle of Nebraska, Fast food and Mexican holds sway here, Except for Rudi Giuliani’s favorite chef’s place, which is about four blocks away.
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It’s often seemed shameful to me that someone like Ted Kennedy would be allowed to remain in full communion with the Holy Mother Church without being censured in any way. Same goes for Nancy Pelosi. The only thing I can figure is that it’s a power thing. Maybe the bishops involved were afraid because of the possible consequences on account of the power those individuals had in their locales.
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That may be. But it is shameful to watch them hide behind such tired out mantras of “separation of church and state” or their desire to be “pastoral.”
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